I'm curious how you justify nerfing the Tempest and Typhoon that hard?

-Liang

Ed: Also, the new Typhoon 100% obsoletes the old Raven for mission running. Not that I ever run missions, but it's still something worth considering. :)

Am liking the changes to the typhoon with the exception of the drone bay. Why was it dropped to 100 from 125?

For starters, I get the vibe that only the drone races are getting 5 heavies now. There are no Minmatar or Caldari spec ships that can run then (not including faction). I don't think an extra 100dps (maximum) from 5 heavies would make as big a difference as you'd think, and 4 unbonused heavies are barely a gain over a 221 configuration.

The ships weakness is in tanking potential.



The Tempest has had 4 missile hardpoints since the beginning of time.
People simply don't use the extra highs as torps.

I LOVE EVE and I chose to play a race (Minmatar) because they do guns and fire lumps of metal around the sky.

Stop levelling the playing field..... If I want to shoot missiles I'll train and buy Caldari Already feeling aggrieved at the loss of my Cyclone AC fit mini beast

Soon the only reason to choose a race on a new character will be the colour scheme of the ships ! Bah humbug


I'm not saying tweaks and squeaks aren't needed to maintain a balanced game but if you remove individuality of the race why have them :P

Tempest:

Retaining it's super low BC signature radius, the new 7/6/6 Tempest trades the utility of the 2nd neutrialiser - on a ship known to be light on capacitor- for improved performance as a shield tanker, as well as increased flexibility, unpredictability and damage projection with armour as well as an additional drone.

From target painters, dual prop/dual webs, tracking computers or ecm, the unprecedented 6/6 mid/low slot layout exemplifies more than ever, the ad-hoc minimatar philosophy and despite the lower than average hit points, operational speed, utility and damage projection profiles whilst shield or armour fitted allows the Tempest to compete in ways no other battleship really does.

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage

Slot layout: 7H, 6M, 6L; 6 turrets , 4 launchers
Fittings: 16000 PWG(+500), 570 CPU (+20)
Defence (shields / armor / hull) : 6500 / 7000 / 6500 (reduce shield regen speed by 20%)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second) : 5400(+87.5) / 1154s / 4.68
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120 / .12 / 101000000(-2300000) / 16.81s(-.37s)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 100 / 125
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 67.5km(+5k) / 100 / 7
Sensor strength: 20 Ladar Sensor Strength(+1)
Signature radius: 340(0)

On the podcast/twitch thing it seemed as if CCP Rise probably won't make many changes until after live testing.... But it would be good to get some sort of confirmation.

Was just thinking of how the new ship progression would work, and I think it would be great for Rise to model any further tweaks to the Tempest on being the bigger brother to the Hurricane.

Right now the Tempest is already a lot of the old hurricane we all loved and also the current navy issue one which is being returned. They both have the two utility high slots, great projectile damage application, ability to be shield or armour tanked, and also the ability to be auto or artillery fit.

I think if we can get a sort of bigger brother version to the hurricane then that will make a lot of sense and will become a ship which everyone will really love.

That way we could have a missile and drone line of ships, and then a fast attack projectile line of ships.

Breacher > Talwar > Bellicose > Cyclone > Typhoon

Rifter > Thrasher > Stabber > Hurricane > Tempest

That would make a lot of sense if the ship progression went something like that.

Although I appreciate that the matari battleships were in pretty good shape to begin with, I was thinking this might be a better way to arrange them.

Maelstrom:

Artillery and long range specialist - the thinking here is if it's at range, it doesn't need the shield boost bonus.

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
10% bonus to Large Projectile Turret tracking speed
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret damage

Tempest:

Kiting ship, a BS sized Stabber.

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret rate of fire
+5% bonus to Large projectile turret falloff

Typhoon

Close range heavy shield boost torpedo specialist. It's up close and is very much in the vein of the Breacher.

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonuses:

+5% to Cruise and Torpedo launcher rate of fire
+7.5% bonus to Shield Boost Amount

Lol tank most battleship dps? You realize almsot ANY battleship will tank MORE while dealing same DPS? Check the Hyperion and see how your fancy active armor tempest is useful... or even the megatron.

Tempest is a FAIL ship that is used only because looks cool.

Looks like it's time for me to get training for those T2 large blasters, rails and lasers or, buy a stack of Typhoons.

It looks like I was and... They've turned the Navy Typhoon into the Typhoon. It's loosing a low slot?

Looks like I'll be canceling after all :/

Edit: Accounts canceled. I may be a drama queen, but I'm true to my word.